Sunday, April 26, 2009

Red Sage looking for m/m? -- Jules

According to the RT con report at edittorrent, Red Sage is looking for "longer (over 40k, but especially 70-100k) stories for our e-books program, M/M of any length for our e-books program, and resumes for acquisitions editors."

Having just had a quick look at the Red Sage website and particularly the submissions guidelines, I'm really not getting the feeling that m/m is welcome, let alone desired, so make of that what you will. They do take shorts, which interests me strangely as I have a couple of short pieces more suited to the erotic romance than the gay erotica market. I'd be tempted to test the water with a couple of shorts. On the other hand, I'm not convinced that those cover prices are appropriate for very short pieces -- it doesn't feel like value for money when I put my reader hat on. And I'd rather not annoy potential readers who might have otherwise gone on to buy longer stuff.

(Seen via Storm Grant.)


  1. I was told last year that Red Sage was only rarely publishing longer books by their established authors, that 30k and under was preferred as ideal. I wonder if maybe they've just decided to expand or they have too many of the shorter works now?

  2. This is specifically for the ebook line. It could well be that for the print line they're still primarily interested in material for the anthologies.

  3. Hmm, their submission guidelines make no mention whatsoever of m/m or gltb, and the first two sections of advice cover 'the hero' and 'the heroine'. >.<

    If they have expanded their wish-list perhaps they should update their website...

  4. Markets change. So do demographics.

    I enjoy your blog and hope you'll take this in the spirt it was intended.

    If you have questions regarding the recent calls for subs and the philosophies that drove them, why not direct them to the managing editor at RS, Theresa Stevens for clarification? A statement from her would be a great benefit to your readers.

    Many erotica authors come here seeking facts regarding the erec market.

    If m/m wasn't welcome or desired at RS, the call wouldn't have gone out. They're inundated w/ manuscripts as it is. But what they'd like to see *more of* is m/m or longer works.

    I imagine if a m/m romance comes along that blows them away, the website will then reflect that change in content.

    To advertise it prematurely w/ a site redesign would be misleading to customers perusing the site, don't you think?

    BTW, I do write for Red Sage. Just putting that out there before someone goes digging and decides I'm a secret RS conspirator/plant/brainwashed zealot. :)

  5. While it might seem reasonable to go to the source with every blog post, it is not the purpose of this blog to do investigative journalism--but to raise issues of interest to eroti romance writers. Given the slew of people landing here from a 'red sage m/m' search it does seem that this apparent mixed signal fits n that category.

  6. "To advertise it prematurely w/ a site redesign would be misleading to customers perusing the site, don't you think?"

    Not trying to argue here...I love red sage, and I'm thilled about the longer works thing (can't write below 40k). I don't think anyone's saying RS needs to rehaul the entire website with M/M themed images, but if they're actively acquiring these types of ms, it makes sense to put the call where people will look for it, i.e. the submissions page.

    Of course, an editor's blog is easier to update than a company's website. Maybe it's a very recent decision to expand?

  7. All I can really add to this conversation is that Red Sage Publishing is a quality publisher. If they're planning a m/m line I'm sure it'll be fantastic. I wasn't personally aware of this until now as I don't write m/m. In addition, I've been locked in my writing cave lately. LOL

    My two cents, for anyone who might give a crap. ;-) Owner Alexandria Kendall runs a classy company. Red Sage is right up there with my other two pubs, Kensington and Samhain. I've been quite pleased with them.

  8. Nobody's asking Red Sage to redesign the whole website. But when the company doesn't even see fit to update the submissions page, it does give something of a mixed message on whether a call for m/m really went out. Right now that submissions page gives a very strong impression that anyone submitting m/m will have it auto-rejected without further consideration as soon as the slush reader gets to it.

  9. Well shux I did a term search for red sage and M&M's and all I got was a Methodist pot-luck recipe site. But they did have a delicious-sounding recipe for Bavarian meatloaf surprise!

  10. My view is that it's an update thing. As someone else said earlier, blog updates are easy and fast. I'm sure they'll "see fit" to update their site soon.

    Tuscan Capo...dude, I can't stop looking at that picture of Smurfs and hate myself for it. Thanks a lot...

  11. I wasn't suggesting that the whole website should be changed for the sake of one minor amendment to the future catalogue.

    But when any publisher puts out a specific call for submissions, the first thing most authors do is visit the website for further information. If that information isn't there, in any shape or form, it can be very confusing...